twistedchick ([info]twistedchick) wrote,
@ 2005-01-07 09:30:00
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Friday, first week of the new legislative term, federal and state, and it's already a doozy:

Virginia, former homeland of the Confederacy, is the state to watch for bills that abridge or infringe on the rights of people who aren't male or heterosexual. What happens there is likely to be mirrored elsewhere across the South and across the rest of the Red States -- that portion of the West that was settled by emigrants from the Old South after the Civil War. Remember the law that was passed last year that removed from same-sex couples living together the right to make wills leaving their property to each other, or to write health directives (living wills) including one another? This time the 'underclass' involved is actually the majority of the population -- women.

Virginia Delegate John Cosgrove (who ran unopposed to retain his seat in the last election) has submitted House Bill 1677 to the Virginia General Assembly I'm going to quote it directly, rather than even attempt to paraphrase the relevant section:

When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance upon the mother woman at or after the delivery or abortion or when inquiry or investigation by a medical examiner is required, the medical examiner shall investigate the cause of fetal death and shall complete and sign the medical certification portion of the fetal death report within twenty-four 24 hours after being notified of a fetal death.

When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman's responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor. 

Daily Kos has a great deal more information, including the history of reporting deaths of fetuses and newborns in Virginia, and what's required to be reported now. Please read it. If a woman has an abortion, the fetal death is reported with a control number instead of her name. This bill, however, would require that women's names and a great deal of intrusive information be attached to the report. Much of it looks to me, in fact, like the same kind of information owners used to keep to track the fertility of their female slaves in the Confederacy. Yes, I'm saying that. This bill treats women as property: property has no right to privacy, no right to compassion in hard times, and no right to say 'it's none of your business.'

From Kos:

Delegate Cosgrove's bill is an outrageous attack on the privacy of Virginia women.  Consider this - there is no law mandating that a woman must report a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, or even seek medical treatment for one.  But this bill proposes that a woman report a LOSS of  a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, whatever the gestational age of the embryo/fetus.

Furthermore, this bill means that a woman who experiences a spontaneous loss of pregnancy will have her privacy violated significantly more than if she had chosen an abortion.  Though Virginia requires that induced terminations of pregnancy be reported, those reporting forms require only a "patient number" and information on the procedure.  The "report of fetal death" asks for the woman's full name, her history of prenatal care, her marital status, her education history, her previous deliveries (if any), and a number of other very intrusive data items.

If the miscarriage occurred under a physician's care, all of this information would be provided by the physician out of the patient's medical records.  Physicians and/or funeral directors are given 24 hours to file this report.  Delegate Cosgrove's bill gives women who experience miscarriage without a doctor only 12 hours to report, adding insult to injury....

Returning to our original scenario, let's imagine that this bill becomes law.  Will the average woman in Virginia who experiences spontaneous loss of pregnancy at home know that she is risking a year in jail if she doesn't report it?  (The practical considerations for publicizing such a law are enormous - a Class 1 misdemeanor is a serious crime in Virginia - will the health department create TV ads to inform women of this new law?) 

But let's assume, against all probability, that you are aware that there is a law requiring you to report it.

At what point during your first 12 hours of grief at the loss of this pregnancy do you make time to call the cops to report it?   Let's say you finally pull yourself together after your partner and best friend arrive to comfort you.  You pick up the phone at midnight and call your local police non-emergency number.  What do you say?  "Hello?  Um.  I'd like to report that I just had a miscarriage?"

What then?  Does the officer on the other end of the phone have a Commonwealth of Virginia Report of Fetal Death form right in front of him or her?  Does a squad car with flashing lights arrive at your house to investigate?  Is the officer who responds trained to handle your case compassionately and kindly?  ...

I know this is quite ghastly for me to suggest, but these are the practical considerations that occur to me as a woman when I think about the actual implementation of such a bill.  Delegate Cosgrove's bill does not change the data elements required when a woman reports a fetal death herself, so the police officer  in charge of taking the report would have to ask these questions.  I assume that the officer would be understanding if a woman says "I have no idea" for some of the questions, but the ordeal of having to even consider answering some of these - such as guessing the sex of the "products of conception" is nothing short of barbaric. 

Of course I'm assuming that this would all happen over the phone.  But what if some police departments in Virginia decided that the report would have to be taken in person?  Would a squad car then appear in front of the woman's home?  She'd then have to face the curious stares and questions of her neighbors, yet another gross violation of privacy.  Would she be required to produce the "products of conception" for the police officer's inspection?  Again, I know this is gory, but I've been present when a friend miscarried in early pregnancy.   I know what early "products of conception" may look like.  And I am outraged that some man in Chesapeake would come along and try to pass a law that says I or any other Virginia woman who experiences miscarriage at home might have to weigh them so I can include this information in the report in the first 12 hours after miscarriage or face a year in jail.

Cosgrove has said that his intention with this bill was to eliminate 'trashcan babies,' children who are born and abandoned -- but the bill does not require that the deaths of newborns be reported, only fetuses. And, under this law, it won't matter if the miscarriage occurred in the first month or the fourth or the sixth. It requires all 'products of conception' to be reported. This is coming perilously close to having the state staring in the bathroom window to count the number of tampons or pads used, and then keeping a chart of the results.

And I seriously doubt that all the police in Virginia are going to be any more pleased about this than I am. They have work to do already, and they don't need to be publicly tracking the fertility cycles of their mothers and sisters and wives and daughters and cousins.

For your reference -- Class One misdemeanors include statutory rape, bomb threats, stalking and providing alcohol to minors. In what way is having a miscarriage similar to any of these? None. Why should a woman be faced with a year in jail and a $2500 fine because her body decided she shouldn't be pregnant any more?

What you can do about this:

-- If you live in Virginia -- hell, even if you don't -- you can write to Cosgrove through his webpage and ask him how this bill of his (which has no cosponsors) will benefit the women of Virginia? Of what benefit is it to the general population of Virginia as a whole?

-- If you live in Virginia -- write to your own Delegate and State Senator and demand that they oppose this bill. Encourage any other women you know in the state to do the same.

-- If you live in Virginia -- find someone to stand against John Cosgrove in the 78th District in this year's election. Find a woman who has strength and courage who can defeat him -- this bill will give her a good place to start to build a platform to oppose him.

-- If you do not live in Virginia, but live in a different Red State in the old South, Midwest or West -- start tracking the legislation going through your own statehouse and keep an eye out for copycat legislation. When Michigan passed the law allowing medical providers not to provide care or services 'if it went against their religious beliefs', the same law was picked up and passed by six more statehouses.

-- Regardless of where you live, you might consider writing a letter to the editor of a major newspaper in your area, expressing your feelings about this bill. Publicizing the bad effects of a bill is a first step to keep it from becoming law -- but it also brings the issue to the attention of people who might not have spoken up otherwise. Last year, when the law was being considered concerning partial-birth abortions, the most telling news article I saw was the interview with the Mormon women who had needed that procedure to save their lives. They were married, proper conservative women, and without that procedure none of them would still be alive.

Thanks to [info]mecurtin for the heads-up on this.



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[info]kassrachel
2005-01-07 03:00 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the heads-up. Sending a letter now.

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-01-07 03:25 pm UTC (link)
And I seriously doubt that all the police in Virginia are going to be any more pleased about this than I am. They have work to do already, and they don't need to be publicly tracking the fertility cycles of their mothers and sisters and wives and daughters and cousins

Or colleagues. I'm sure there are female cops, even in Virginia.

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[info]twistedchick
2005-01-07 03:40 pm UTC (link)
There are definitely women cops in Virginia. However, I doubt they'd go through the same legal situation if they were in the same medical situation. Cops tend to take care of their own.

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[info]neotoma
2005-01-07 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Gah! What an awful proposal. You *know* that bill would be used selectively to punish women who were 'rebellious' if it ever became law. It's much to easy to abuse.

If Cosgrove wants to help end 'trash-can babies', maybe he should try to get money to publish the safe-refuge laws for surrendering newborns at hospitals and fire stations?

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[info]twistedchick
2005-01-07 04:31 pm UTC (link)
That's a good point, but it raises another question:

Are there 'safe refuge laws' in the Commonwealth of Virginia?

Anyone?

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(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2005-01-07 04:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]neotoma, 2005-01-07 05:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]scrollgirl, 2005-01-07 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]thisficklemob, 2005-01-07 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]threegoldfish, 2005-01-07 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]twistedchick, 2005-01-07 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mouse42, 2005-01-07 11:41 pm UTC
Few more links... - [info]mouse42, 2005-01-07 11:50 pm UTC
Re: Few more links... - [info]twistedchick, 2005-01-08 06:52 am UTC

[info]gryphonrhi
2005-01-07 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Not to mention that this violates HIPPA if it requires the doctors to send in that information.

Yeah. Always nice to be a second class citizen for lack of a tassel.

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[info]shelaghc
2005-01-07 04:55 pm UTC (link)
Not to mention that this violates HIPPA if it requires the doctors to send in that information.


Good point. How is this asshole expecting a state law to override something federal?

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(no subject) - [info]fyrdrakken, 2005-01-07 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]belleweather, 2005-01-07 08:52 pm UTC
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[info]minim_calibre
2005-01-07 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Occasionally, in my more paranoid moments, I've thought that the next step after outlawing abortion would be criminal investigation of miscarriages.

Until now, the rational part of my brain always considered that a slippery slope type of argument, and mocked my paranoia. Now I'm struggling for the words to articulate my outrage.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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[info]buggery
2005-01-07 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Every time I think this damned country can't scare me any more than it already does...

I am in tears over this. Despite having a 0% chance of the law applying to me.

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[info]shelaghc
2005-01-07 04:38 pm UTC (link)
If it wasn't for my mother and the things going on with her right now, I'd be working on finding a way out of this country and to someplace *far* more progressive ASAP.

In any case, I think it's past time to renew my passport just in case.

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[info]vamysteryfan
2005-01-07 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Thaks for the information. I'll write my local delegate. Sometimes this state scares me.

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Goddess protect us all
(Anonymous)
2005-01-07 05:02 pm UTC (link)
I had a miscarriage many years ago, before my only daughter was born. I have been sitting here, shaking and reliving that experience. Husband on the road, no medical coverage, no way to get to a hospital if I wanted to...I lay and cried & bled until he came home.

I live in Michigan (sometimes one of those copy law states.)This bill is terrifying. I wouldn't know how to start an intelligent letter - will someone more articulate post an example?

Sorry to burst in without introduction. I am a writer, musician, great fan of Rhiannon Shaw, which is how I landed here.

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Virginia Law Protecting Infants
[info]vamysteryfan
2005-01-07 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I did a little quick research. Virginia has a safe harbor law. Parents must deliver the child to a place where it can receive immediate medical attention

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?031+ful+CHAP0816

He's not familiar with his own state laws apparently

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Re: Virginia Law Protecting Infants
[info]anne_jumps
2005-01-07 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Either that or he's deliberately ignoring that one.

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Re: Virginia Law Protecting Infants - [info]fyrdrakken, 2005-01-07 07:31 pm UTC
Re: Virginia Law Protecting Infants - [info]anne_jumps, 2005-01-07 07:33 pm UTC
Re: Virginia Law Protecting Infants - [info]fyrdrakken, 2005-01-07 08:42 pm UTC

[info]silveraspen
2005-01-07 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I am in shock. That's just horrible.

I'll be taking a day to calm down and compose thoughts, and then I am writing letters. Here's hoping that our collective voices are heard.

Thanks for the alert.

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[info]lauramcewan
2005-01-07 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Hi,

I'm very bad at write clean, articulate letters. Would you consider sharing one that I might be able to co-opt to my local paper?

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(no subject) - [info]silveraspen, 2005-01-07 08:58 pm UTC

[info]chickwriter
2005-01-07 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Already sent a letter off to my delegate. Have mobilized the women in the office - most of whom live in VA.

Thanks, Kit!

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[info]sihaya09
2005-01-07 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I live in MD, and while I think that this is *highly* unlikely here, I will be keeping an eye out, not to mention writing. Thanks for the heads up.

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[info]lauramcewan
2005-01-07 06:58 pm UTC (link)
I don't even have the words.

Bastard.

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[info]naturalnitrate
2005-01-07 07:28 pm UTC (link)
I just found and posted that same info. It just stuns me that someone could be such an awful waste of DNA.

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[info]twistedcat
2005-01-07 07:33 pm UTC (link)
linked and taking action

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[info]madameceleste70
2005-01-07 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Fuckwits the lot of them, they're all misogynistic arseholes. It's times like this that I am thankful to live in Massachusetts. I've had a couple of miscarriages and the last thing I needed was to be talking to the police/DA about something that is solely the business of myself, my husband, and my doctor.

I also have to say that it looks as though this law violates HIPPA regulations by reporting all that information to outside parties.

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[info]barbaraa
2005-01-07 09:44 pm UTC (link)
It also goes against HIPAA laws. The government doesn't have the right to access patient information especially as this is not even a communicable disease.

It should be tossed out by the courts.

Barbara

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Need a sample letter?
[info]vamysteryfan
2005-01-07 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I just posted a copy of mine to my LJ. I think it's reasonably articulate.

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[info]stefestella
2005-01-07 11:31 pm UTC (link)
What happens there is likely to be mirrored elsewhere across the South and across the rest of the Red States -- that portion of the West that was settled by emigrants from the Old South after the Civil War.

Wow... that's just about the most stereotyping and blatantly prejudiced thing I have heard since the election... neatly disguised as some "well, that's they way it has been in the past" statement. Or maybe I'm just reading it from a Southerner's point of view... a Southerner whose family is only in part descendant from your "Old South" from over a century ago and who has consistently worked to keep a Democrat in the Governor's house as many times as possible. But then I know anything that would look like we didn't fit that "Old South" stereotype would be ignored in casting predictions and judgements on what we will do in any given circumstance.

Passing on the link... and discouraging any stereotyping and prejudice against my home state.

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[info]twistedchick
2005-01-08 07:06 am UTC (link)
If you will take the time to look at the affiliations of Republican neoCons with the Religious Right, and with the particular segment of the Religious Right and of the neoConservatives that is most anti-woman, anti-gay and pro-control of everything, you will find that it is particularly strong in Virginia and across the Old South, in Alabama and Texas and Mississippi, then reaching up into the Midwest (Iowa, Indiana, Michigan) and into the West (Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Idaho.) Those were also the strongest Red states. Those are also places where elected officials' votes line up 100% with what the Christian Coalition says should happen, more often than not.

I am not saying it is the way everyone in the South thinks. I am not saying it is the way *you* think. I am saying it is the behavior I have observed in state and federal officials from those states -- and that when restrictive legislation is passed in one state it is picked up in the next, and the next.

That's not prejudice -- it's observation. You may not like it, but whether you like it or not is beside the point. It's what is happening in this country.

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[info]phendog
2005-01-08 12:08 am UTC (link)
OMG! Awk. Who the hell are these people?

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[info]candika
2005-01-08 12:35 am UTC (link)
Excuse me, I'm going to scream:

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH...

Thankyou. I don't need to say any more, do I?.

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[info]adjectivegirl
2005-01-08 10:05 am UTC (link)
Dude, I don't even think shit this creepy up at my most morose and downtrodden!

::sharpens up email to Harry Reid::

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